Here's Everything We Learned From Pusha-T's Interview on 'The Joe Budden Podcast'

Joe Budden dropped a three hour long interview with Pusha-T, where the rapper spills the tea on his beef with Drake and relationship with Kanye.

On Wednesday, Joe Budden dropped a three-hour long interview on Spotify with Pusha-T, just days after Drake shared another side of their feud on LeBron James and Maverick Carter's new HBO show The Shop.

The rapper and G.O.O.D Music president lays it all out on where he stands with Drake, breaking down where he learned about Aubrey’s son and why there are no rules in rap battles. He also goes into the more secretive side of the beef, playing voicemails from a woman and Clipse's former DJ to dig up dirt on Push for Drake's $100,000 payout.

Pusha also goes in on his relationship with Kanye during this time, 'Ye’s SNL performance, and how the rest of the G.O.O.D. Music crew is holding up this year.

It’s a massive listen, so for those of you who don’t have the time to spare, we’ve broken down the biggest points of the conversation. Here’s what we learned in Pusha-T’s latest interview.

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The Rules of Beef: There Are None

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On The Shop, Drake argued that Pusha-T went too far by attacking Noah "40" Shebib and mentioning his MS on “The Story of Adidon,” saying it broke the rules when comes to rap beef.

Pusha-T and Budden spend the first part of this new interview going against that notion. For them, there are no rules when it comes to rap beef, even though Pusha admits he doesn’t take any of it very seriously. “It ain’t ever personal, it’s always rap shit, cause I don’t believe nothing,” he says. “I look at it just as competitive sparring...I believe they’re harmless. I believe everybody’s harmless.”

The G.O.O.D. Music president goes on to criticize Drake’s episode of The Shop, saying it was too biased and dramatic. “I don’t think how you can chime in so much and not mention 'Two Birds, One Stone,' Cudi’s mental issues, mentioning my wife,” he says. “And then only speak about me wishing death, when everybody heard the song, I didn’t wish death on anyone, but not that I care.”

Pusha-T on Drake telling his side of the story to LeBron on ‘The Shop.’

“It may make sense in Drake’s mind—‘Oh Ye told Push about my son and my situation, I was in Wyoming.’—That’s wrong.”

— Complex Music (@ComplexMusic) October 17, 2018

Push’s main reason for this interview is to squash claims it was Kanye who told him about Drake’s son. "Only reason I'm here now, for real for real, is because [Drake] was so passionate about the MS thing," he said. "And they did the backlight and they put the spotlight on his face, 'When you said my friend,' but your friend is the reason why. That's how it came about. That narrative's gotta die. Listen, it needs to die. It's done. That narrative is done."

Pusha Says 40 Was Responsible for Giving Info About Drake's Son

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Pusha-T Addresses Big Sean and Kendrick Lamar

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A Woman Close to Pusha-T Attempted to Get Dirt on Him for Drake

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Pusha-T Calls Drake and Kanye West 'Fake Friends'

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Budden, Rory, and Mal prod Pusha-T throughout the episode about Kanye seemingly playing both sides in the beef. While, Push does express frustration with Kanye apologizing to Drake for the beef, he chalks it up to Drake and Yeezy being “fake friends.”

“Now, the bromance that they have going back and forth,” he explains. “When he cool, and he shoot him in the verse or some shit. That’s them. I can’t be in the studio where Drake’s there. I can’t. I am not allowed.”

Pusha-T on Kanye publicly apologizing to Drake.

“What are you apologizing about? You shouldn’t have done that ... Because of all of that right there, now [Drake] thinks what he thinks.”

— Complex Music (@ComplexMusic) October 17, 2018

Pusha on Ye keeping him & Drake separated in Wyoming:

“I’m there from the 1st—7th. Next thing I hear on the 8th, Drake there. Everybody else can be there. I CAN’T. I don’t play neutral. He don’t do that. Everybody not built like me. And you can’t make people be built like you.”

— Complex Music (@ComplexMusic) October 17, 2018

But ultimately Push doesn’t think Yeezy is like him. “Everybody not built like me. And everybody not built like me. And you can’t make people built like you," he says. “This is the music industry, this ain’t the streets. I don’t carry people like that.”

Further in the podcast, Pusha talks about Drake and Kanye's creative chemistry, despite having obvious issues with one another. He also makes a point that if Drake shared a photo of his son with Kanye, chances are that photo could've been shared with him to use as artwork for "The Story of Adidon."

“I wished [Kanye] would have sent me that. That's the type of ride I am,” he said. “If he sent him a picture, that's something that if you are in war during that, that shit should have came into my phone.”

Pusha-T Called Kanye West After His 'SNL' Performance

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This isn’t the first time Pusha-T has shined a light on his political disagreements with Kanye, but in this interview Push discussing calling 'Ye out after his weird SNL performance.

“We disagree on this wholeheartedly. When it came to that, I actually called him after that. I just asked him, ‘You have your political views, I got mine. You know mine.’ He knows mine. Back and forth we’ve had this. What I asked him simply after SNL was, ‘What are you trying to accomplish?’” he says. “He was like, ‘Yo, what do you mean?’ To me, you’ve worn the hat. You said your stance. You’ve done that a little while ago.

In the past little month or so, after the music came out, during the music run and all of that, went to Chicago, I said, ‘Man, I sort of feel like people were not even agreeing with you, but lending you an ear.’ I said, ‘If that’s the case, why are we going back to causing an uprising? I feel like if whatever you’re trying to get accomplished, we disagree.’”

Despite their political differences, Push maintains his relationship Kanye and says he will continue to even if 'Ye campaigns for Donald Trump in the next election. “No, I definitely can have a relationship with 'Ye cause we have different political views. Hell yeah,” he explains. “Bro, we’ve been disagreeing with each other since we met. That’s why I feel like I am the president because I actually do disagree on everything. I feel like it’s a back and forth.”

Pusha-T Says He Owns 40 Percent of Arby's 'We Have the Meats' Commercials

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Pusha-T Is Finishing a New Album

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We had to wait three years between Darkest Before Dawn and DAYTONA, but it looks like we won’t have to wait too much longer for Pusha’s next album to drop. “That’s a fact. I’m finishing up my new album now. I’m off this shit now,” he says around the 1:19:00 mark.

He’s trying to get untitled project out before the end of this year, but it’ll definitely be here sometime early next year. Since King Push continues to proclaim his affinity for shorter releases, it’s likely we’re looking at another seven-track drop, maybe 10 at the max.

“I feel like I’m really good at what I do. I don’t know if there are a lot of people are good at luxury drug raps. I don’t feel like a lot of people are. But, being silent, they can sort of scoot you out. You can watch the game try to dismiss, and discredit you. And, ‘Oh, that’s just that.’ I feel like the more they come out, the more they have to compete with it. And differentiate between this and that. And as long as people keep differentiating, you’re there. I just feel like it gives me a one-up.”

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