As he’s touring the country with J. Cole, Atlanta superstar 21 Savage stopped by DJ Akademiks’ new podcast Off the Record for an extensive interview.

Appearing alongside his manager Meezy, the rapper spoke about a wide variety of topics including who his city’s biggest rapper is and why he didn’t want to work with Kanye West on Donda. Recorded just before 21’s set at Governor’s Ball over the weekend, the I Am > I Was creator also broke down who he thinks is running the rap game right now, and why he believes NBA YoungBoy wasn’t offered support from the wider rap community.

Read a breakdown of seven key moments from DJ Akademiks’ interview below, and check out the full Off the Record podcast above via Spotify.