'Game of Thrones' Showrunners Think They Went 'Too Far' With Some of the Violence

Game of Thrones showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff have started to open up about the show again following its divisive finale.

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Game of Thrones showrunners D.B. Weiss and David Benioff have started to open up about the series again following its divisive finale. During the Austin Film Festival this past weekend, the pair talked about the process of how the show came together and what influenced their changes from George R.R. Martin's beloved source material.

At 3PM David Benioff and D.B Weiss #DnD started a session at the #AustinFilmFestival, I am a little late, but will live tweet as soon as I get there. #GameOfThrones

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

As the panel kicked off, Twitter user @ForArya helped recap what Weiss and Benioff said about the 10 years they spent working with HBO on GoT. At a certain point in the panel, mostly avoiding the infamous reaction to Season 8, the pair said they might have gone a little "too far" with some of the violence in the show.

Benioff in particular highlighted the jousting scene with the Mountain, as well as Ser Hugh of the Vale's death scene. 

She is asking about the violence. David: “TBH we went too far with some of those.”

He comments on the jousting scene with the Mountain and how when they killed Sir Hugh, that it was in the scene too long. He compares it to Ozark’s Jason Bateman’s toenail being ripped out.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

Were you listening to the feedback to your fans as things went along?

Dan: “We really did not.”

Dan doesn’t see the value of considering other people’s reactions.

Dave acknowledged that he googled the show and it upset him. Dan, no. @dndgoogling

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

Earlier in the panel, the pair also explained that they didn't have a whole lot of experience before they tackled Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series, so they were surprised when Martin signed off on their pitch to HBO. "We didn't really have any," one of the two said when asked about their experience by Martin. The original unaired pilot the duo produced was infamously poor, and reflecting on that they both agreed it was filled with countless writing mistakes.

In fact, they were even more surprised when HBO picked it up when considering how much of a failure they considered it. "Everything we could made a mistake in, we did," they said.

David is describing the pre-meeting with GRRM who was questioning their bona fides and “we didn’t really have any.” We had never done TV and we didn’t have any. We don’t know why he trusted us with his life’s work.”

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

They talking about the pilot and their friends who they let watch their first attempt at a pilot. One of the people was Craig Mazin (wrote Chernobyl) Scott Frank and Ted Griffin. He acknowledged that the first pilot was basic writing mistakes.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

They acknowledge that they have no idea why after such a dismal pilot why they went forward. “Everything we could make a mistake in, we did.” Script, casting, costume.

They think HBO went forward bc they had a lot of foreign pre-sales on the series.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

Dan is saying that #GameofThrones was basically an expensive film school for he and Dave. For example, they had no idea how to work with costume designers, and it was a huge learning experience.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

During the panel, Weiss and Benioff also spoke about how the episodes in the first season were running short just two months before the pilot was to air. As a result, HBO ordered them to write and film 100 additional minutes of scenes to meet the contractual obligations. Prior to the reshoots, each episode averaged around 39 minutes. They were thankful for the reshoots, however, as they said it helped them to understand the characters better.

As more and more actors signed on to the project, Weiss and Benioff let them help redefine the characters for the screen. Maisie Williams was highlighted for what she brought to the role of Arya Stark.

Interestingly, it was also revealed that during the early stages the pair wanted to remove as many fantasy elements as possible in an attempt to not just "appeal to that type of fan." They said they also hoped to appeal to mothers and "NFL players," the latter of which they managed as Aaron Rodgers was a big enough fan he made a cameo in the final season.

Two months before the pilot was to air, the episodes were averaging 39 minutes and HBO made then write and film 100 minutes of scenes to meet their contractual obligations. For example, they added a scene with Robert and Cersei - and realized that there was no scene with them.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

The moderator is asking them about their comments acknowledging they didn’t understand the characters, and the extra minutes helped them understand the characters better. 😳

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

Dan is saying that he let the actors redefined the roles, esp Maisie and they began writing for the actors, it is like the actor moved into the “house” and redecorated. He said he learned about the characters from the actors.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

Dan wanted to remove as many fantasy elements as possible bc “we didn’t just want to appeal to that type of fan.” They wanted to expand the fan base to people beyond the fantasy fan base to “mothers, NFL players”...

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

They took a moment to address the lack of women and people of color in their writing room for GoT, too, saying they didn't even have a writers' room.

They asked about not including women and POC in the writers room.

They didn’t have a writers room and there was one woman who wrote a few scenes. They decided up front it was going to be the two of them. David Hill is of Asian descent.

— ForgedInFire And On The Picket Lines (@ForArya) October 26, 2019

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