No doubt one of the most exciting link-ups of the year has been the collaborative effort between Travis Scott and Kim Jones. And in a new interview, the Utopia-building artist and the prolific fashion designer got candid about what’s at the heart of their history-making Cactus Jack Dior collection.

Speaking with AnOther for a new cover feature that dropped Friday, Scott—whose 2021 has also included a Baby Keem collab—explained that he and Jones are real-life friends, which is integral to the success of their work together.

“Kim is a friend of mine,” he said. “I probably wouldn’t be doing this if he wasn’t involved. He is such an inspiration. I was a fan even when I was in college, so it’s crazy to be working with him.” Getting the chance to see pieces being made by hand, he added, has been an “insane” experience.

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The two have been talking and texting on a consistent basis since first meeting six years ago, when Jones was still at Louis Vuitton. As Jones explained, Scott knew “exactly what he wanted” to see in their work together, kicking off the shared process by taking a dive into the Dior archives.