During a recent appearance on The Ellen DeGeneres Show, guest Kim Kardashian opened up about the differences between her and Kanye West’s four children.

In the interview, Kim revealed that their oldest daughter, eight-year-old North, has developed an edgy side: “North is like goth — she’s into Hot Topic. She puts fake tattoos on her face, and she listens to Black Sabbath, and she’s just like a full goth girl,” she said.

As for the other three kids—Saint, 5, Chicago, 3, and Psalm, 2—Kim told Ellen: “Saint is like video game, tech wiz—like, amazing. And Psalm is really into Paw Patrol and Cars. Like, every kid is so different. But Chi-Chi is my little princess. Anything princess, anything girly girl—that’s her.”  

Elsewhere in their discussion, Kim spoke about her sister Kourtney’s budding romance with Travis Barker: “I love their relationship,” she said. “They’ve grown so much together. … Just to think that they’ve been neighbors and friends for almost 15 years. Neighbors for like, a decade!”

She continued, “They are at each other like it’s the last time they’re going to see each other, all the time! It’s a lot, but it’s so cute. You know what? That’s what they do, and it’s so cute. And I love love, so I love them.”

Check out Kim’s full interview on Ellen below.