While Joe Budden doesn’t normally invite guests for interviews on his podcast, he made an exception for Chance the Rapper.

In the latest episode—which is almost three hours long—Budden, Chance, Rory, and Mal talked about everything from Chance’s relationship with album cycles, the pending release of his Kanye collaboration Good Ass Job, Chance’s thoughts on Tha Carter V, being independent, and of course, Ye's political views.

When discussing Kanye, Budden brought up Ye’s latest stunt: pairing a Colin Kaepernick sweatshirt with a Make America Great Again hat. Budden told Chance, “It seems like it totally contradicts everything you stand for.”

Chance agreed, but also offered a more thoughtful response.

He continued, “I think Kanye has said it before, but I think he thinks like for every move, at least for the past few albums, he thinks about himself like 300 years in the future and how people will read things, and figures himself as trying to create a bigger blip on the long timeline where a lot of other people will be stuck in like a very small space of like where their art reaches or where their thoughts reach after they’ve died,” Chance said.

“And I think he does a lot of stuff for the attention of the masses, to get that stuff documented and made into history. But I think also a lot of times, the attention that he may be seeking is at the immediate detriment of some people that may need that attention more.”

Chance also said his project with Kanye "hasn't started yet."

After a Saturday Night Live gig that included dressing up as a water bottle with Lil Pump and an off-air pro-Trump speech, Kanye is prepping his ninth studio album, Yandhi. That project is now due Nov. 23.