Tyler, the Creator’s new album, Cherry Bomb, sold respectable numbers on the charts and gave him his second top five debut of his career. Although it dropped without warning, the album was supported by singles “Deathcamp” and “Fucking Young/Perfect.” It also featured contributions from artists such as Pharrell, ScHoolboy Q, Kanye West and Lil Wayne.

During an interview with Billboard, which will appear in the May 2 issue, the Odd Future ringleader broke down a series of collaborations off the album. One of them was “Smuckers,” the track featuring ‘Ye and Weezy going off like their former 2007-2008 selves. “They know what era of them I appreciate, so they brought that onto the song,” he said during his conversation with Big Boy this week. “It's just crazy to hear me going back and forth with Wayne. It's fucking crazy."

Tyler expanded on “Smuckers” here, noting that he originally made the beat in 2011 and he sent it to Hov and ‘Ye first. However, he took it back because he wanted it to sound bigger.  

“They were going to use it, but I kind of took it back. I was trying to make horn sections and drum kicks that sound epic,” he said. “The second half is this jazz ensemble. I'm like, 'Oh my God, this is fucking amazing. Lil Wayne would sound so good over this.' I sent Wayne a reference of what I was going to put, and he sent me the verse back. I legit was about to cry.”

He furthered explained how rapping back and forth with Wayne inspired Kanye to step his game up. “I played it for 'Ye at his house literally four days before the album was due. He was like, 'OK, I got to step my bars up. Y'all niggas is spitting.' It was such a sick thing to know that me and Wayne had to put 'Ye back on his feet. Like, what the fuck? I'm 24 years old. What am I going to look forward to at 30?”

Read our review on Cherry Bomb, where Complex staff writer Angel Diaz makes note of why “Smuckers” is a standout track.