The Complex Sneakers Podcast is co-hosted by Joe La Puma, Brendan Dunne, and Matt Welty. This week they’re joined by Lukas Bentel, a chief creative officer at the Brooklyn art collective MSCHF. Bentel brings with him the recently released Wavy Baby sneaker, a Vans-lookalike model that is the latest MSCHF creation to earn a trademark infringement lawsuit. He defends the shoe, discusses the controversy over the Lil Nas X Satan Shoe that Nike sued over, and explains why he feels confident about his company’s legal issues. Also, Brendan and Welty leave Joe out of another PG dinner.

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