The Complex Sneakers Podcast is co-hosted by Joe La Puma, Brendan Dunne, and Matt Welty. This week they’re joined by Lukas Bentel, a chief creative officer at the Brooklyn art collective MSCHF. Bentel brings with him the recently released Wavy Baby sneaker, a Vans-lookalike model that is the latest MSCHF creation to earn a trademark infringement lawsuit. He defends the shoe, discusses the controversy over the Lil Nas X Satan Shoe that Nike sued over, and explains why he feels confident about his company’s legal issues. Also, Brendan and Welty leave Joe out of another PG dinner. Looking for the Complex Sneakers Podcast Dad Hats? Shop on Complex Shop now! The Complex Sneakers Podcast Dad Hat in White or Black.