"Way before anyone was talking about him, his ideas were just... I mean I'd like to get into his head and see the thought process that goes into everything he does. Sometimes it's way out there, but at least someone is doing it, you know? If you even look at images of his shows back then [in the late-'90s] and the concepts, that's what people are trying to do now. I can't even describe why I like Raf, because it's just such a complex thing."