As expected,Ā Dave Chappelleās recent interview withĀ Joe RoganĀ offered plenty of gems.
The once-reclusive comedianĀ appeared on Fridayās episode ofĀ The Joe Rogan Experience podcast,Ā where he chopped it up with the titular host for nearly three-and-a-half hours. Chappelle and Roganāwho are both known for theirĀ frankĀ and often controversial takesātouched on a wide range of topics, including everything from the global pandemic and the fight for gay rights to Americaās post-Trump era and buying weed from a Golden Globe-winning actor.
If youāve yet to hear theĀ full interview, you can do so now exclusively onĀ Spotify. For those who would like a teaser or a recap, weāve also listed some of the biggest highlights of the extensive sit-down below.
The 47-year-old comedian shocked fans in the mid-aughts when he abruptly walked away from Chappelleās Showāthe wildly popular sketch series that premiered on Comedy Central in 2003. It wasĀ reported that the network offered Chappelle $50 million to continue the show during its third season; however, he ultimately chose to walk away from the deal and set off to South Africa.
āWhat was so remarkable when I walked away from the show is that it was against incentive, so people couldnāt understand it at the time,ā he told Rogan. āāIt was so much money. How could you do that?ā Blah, blah, blah. But you know, if I had taken that money and finished the show, I wouldāve gotten the money, but mightāve never been the same.ā
Chappelle said the decision felt āfreeing,ā but some part of him was convinced that his career was over.
āIĀ never seen these things before; IĀ didnāt see anyone else do this and get back up ā¦ it was a wild experience,ā he continued.Ā āTheĀ way people close to you react to it, like Iā¦ failed or ruined my life. And, you know, when youāre cold, that phone donāt ring that often, and IĀ had over a decade of sitting in that choice but IĀ didnāt languish in that experience. IĀ started doing stand-up for much better reasons than making it.ā
Although he currently hosts his own podcast show, Chappelle was once considered one of the most reclusive figures in entertainment. He touched on this while speaking about cancel culture and how one opens themselves up to criticismāwarranted or unwarrantedāthe more they put themselves in the public eye.Ā
āThats why I usually donāt do interviews,ā he said.Ā āI feel like this about fame, in general. And I see you go through similar shit. They blow you up like a balloon and twist you into these wild shapes like a balloon animal. And once youāre in that thing, they can control the perception of it. So why fuck with it?ā
At one point during the interview, Rogan praised Chappelle for hisĀ treatment of everyday people, and never adopting a superior attitude due to his money andĀ fame. Chappelle then reminded listeners to be kind to service workers, like doormen and barbacks, because you never know what the future has in store for them. He then usedĀ Idris ElbaĀ as an example, reiterating that the award-winning actor used to be his weed manĀ before he achieved mainstream success.
āIdris Elba, the famous actor, used to be a security guard at [comedy club] Carolineās ...ā Chappelle said. āI used to buy weed from him.ā
Chappelle and Rogan acknowledged there are many issues currently plaguing society, but are generally optimistic about the future. The host cited famed psychologist Steven Pinker, whose work explains how each generation lives in a much safer world than the one before it. Chappelle suggested he agreed, but pointed out that this type of progress isnāt organic, and that people hadĀ to fight to see real change.
āItās not like these things (violence and injustices) happen less often becauseāpeople had to do things to make these things happen less often [change],ā Chappelle said. āIt didnāt happen organically just like, āOK, man,Ā thatās enough murder for us.ā People had to do some shit. Gay marriageāpeople had to be made aware of how people were struggling. One of the greatĀ things of that movement is when everybody started coming out of the closet and everyone realized, āOh, like, five of my best friends are gayā ā¦Ā and you realize you like this person more than you like whatever prejudice you carry around.ā
The conversation eventually turned toward the habit of flossing and how some celebrities are so unaware that their āInsta-braggingā can often come off as tone-deaf. Rogan and Chappelle agreed that there were some stars whose image was heavily based on selling a high-end lifestyle, but questioned whether comedians could get away with this. After a few moments of thinking, Rogan pointed toĀ Kevin HartĀ as aĀ comic who flosses. Chappelle co-signed the comment, but said he wasnāt bothered by Hartās affinity for flexing.
āFirst of all, who the fuck works harder than that guy?ā Rogan said.
āNobody. Not me. Fuck that ...ā Chappelle said, before Rogan highlighted Hartās ever-growing list of projects. āAnd heās relentlessly kind, and everyone thatĀ works with him looks elated and happy. Heās not a tyrant. Heās like hanging out with a self-help book or some shit. He just makes you feel good ā¦ Itās impossible not to like him. And, in fact, in my mind, heās a great case scenario that a good person can do well in life, because there are some cynics who believe they canāt.ā
About half-way through the interview, Chappelle asked Rogan to share his thoughts on the controversy surroundingĀ Elon Muskās Saturday Night Live hosting gig. The host described the issue as āridiculous,ā while Chappelle admitted he was puzzled by all the fuss.
āNo one is woke enough,ā Rogan said. āThey canāt appreciate the fact that youāre dealing with one of the most brilliant men thatās ever lived.ā
Chappelle then questioned the root of all the backlash, asking if it had anything to do with Muskās wealth or because people didnāt believe he had the comedic chops.
āNo, heās not funny,ā Rogan said. āHeās a brilliant guy.ā
The host went on to say that some of the controversy stems from Muskās previousĀ comments on COVID-19, which many considered dismissive and insensitive. Chappelle then recalled hisĀ interactions with the Tesla CEO, describing him as āincredibly kind.ā
āI teased him about being the richest man on earth, and he took it with good humor,ā Chappelle said. āWhatās funny,Ā I had hung out with him years ago, after I quit Chappelleās Show. ā¦ We hung out on a tour bus, and he says to me that night ā¦ āI met you before.ā Iām like, āWell, I have no recollection.ā He looked kinda hurt.ā
The two went on to acknowledge Muskās philanthropic work, and how it was often overlooked by the public. Chappelle then suggested he understood why some people were put off by Muskās behavior, but argued there was a right and wrong way to dole out criticism.
āLike you said, no one can be woke enough,ā the comedian explained.Ā āIām torn, because I like a warrior for a good cause, but Iām really into tactics. Youāre not gonna nag people into behaving ...Ā In fact, if you continue with this tone, even if youāre right, youāll be very hard to hear.ā
Rogan then mentioned Chappelleās newly launched podcastĀ The Midnight Miracle, which he hosts alongsideĀ Talib KweliĀ and Yasiin Bey. Rogan described the series as āvery good ā¦Ā very interested,ā particularly because of its high production value.Ā Chappelle explained that the podcast was formatted that way because itās intendedĀ be released on vinyl.
āItās dope ā¦ Thatās why the shows are the duration that they are, so they can fit on sides of vinyl,ā Chappelle said. āItās so wild. Iām curious to see how people will react to it, but I love doing it. The people thatĀ Iām working with, Yasiin Beyāformerly known as Mos Defāand Talib Kewli, these guys are like, great, great friends of mine ā¦Ā Itās a joyful experience ā¦Ā The whole concept, the genesis of the show is literally just us finding an excuse for us to be together ā¦Ā We never catch up as much as we should.ā
Chappelle caught heat several years ago, following the release of his stand-up specials on Netflix. Many viewers described some of the jokesĀ as ādatedā and transphobic; however, the comedian insists that wasnāt the case.
āThere was a thing going on in the press where everyone was saying that theĀ specials were dated, because there were jokes in there that they considered transphobic,ā Chappelle said. āI still donāt think those jokes are transphobic, Iām not gonna have that discussion but if I ever have to, boy Iām ready.ā
The topic was brought up after Rogan claimed Eddie Murphy was embarrassed by some of the material in his stand-up comedy film Raw (1987). Chappelle defended Murphy by stating he was simply responding to the times;Ā and although the jokes donāt work now, they worked in the 1980s.
āI donāt get mad at a photograph because it wasnāt taken today,ā Chappelle said.Ā āIn other words, whatever was going on in ā87, when he laid that set down, it was working ā¦Ā Thatās where people were at, and a good comedian is an indicator of theĀ time ā¦Ā I wouldnāt look any of [Eddieās] old materialĀ as embarrassing. Sometimes Iām startled: āYou could never do that nowā ā¦Ā Iām a comedian. I donāt smell any malice, I donāt think he was trying to hurt anybody.ā
In summer 2020, Chappelle made headlines for a series of socially distanced block parties he hosted in Yellow Springs, Ohio. Rogan applauded Chappelle for pulling it off, as many venues were shut down due to lockdownĀ restrictions. Chappelle briefly explained how he and his team made sure every safety measure was takenāincluding getting the entertainers and audience members tested for COVID-19. He then turned the conversation to former President Trump and his flawed response to the pandemic.
āRemember when Trump said something like, āJust stop testing everybody?ā Iām telling you from experience, thatās a terrible, terrible idea,ā Chappelle said.Ā āI canāt believe that motherfucker was in charge at a time like that, because that was a wild thing to say. Yo, my man, letās think this through.ā
Chappelle then touched on the deadly Jan. 6 riots at the U.S. Capitol, which occurred not too far from where he was born and raised.
āIt felt like they were fuckinā my city up ...Ā they were trashing my town ...ā he said. āThe president (Trump) was the catalyst for it, whether you wanna say he was legally responsible for it or not ā¦Ā He said, āYou gotta take our country back.āā
Rogan then recalled Chappelleās comments following Trumpās presidential win, when the comedian urged the public to give Trump a chance.
āYou know why I said that? Because he was duly elected,ā Chappelle explained. āI didnāt storm the Capitol and rub my shit on the walls the next day. Fucking stupid.ā
Chappelle and Rogan then spoke about their relationships with other comedians, describing their social circle as a ātribe.ā Chappelle then mentioned Marlon Wayans, whom he described as āone of my favorite people.āĀ
āHeās a wildly consistent dude in my life,ā he said.Ā āI used to hangout in Hollywood and sometimes I drink too much, but I knew where he lived ā¦ and Iād just knock on his door, and heād open it. He got some room in his basmement and wouldĀ just throw some blankets in it, andĀ then Iād sleep, ācause I trusted him. Heās just a fucking cool dude. ā¦ I brought him up because he came to my Shack, thatāsĀ where I do my shows ā¦ we all just hangout there. ā¦ But Marlon was so incensed that I didnāt have ice that he bought me an ice machine. It was the weirdest gift ā¦Ā He just sent it in the mail. Who does that?ā