Our video show Making It, produced in partnership with In The Know, is back for a third season. Previous guests have included Rico Nasty, Kenny Mason, UMI, Jelani Aryeh, EARTHGANG, Omar Apollo, and many more. This season we’re featuring an incredible collection of artists from across genres and sounds, starting with Deb Never. Look out for new episodes of Making It on the Pigeons & Planes YouTube every Wednesday at 3 pm EST.

Deb has been one of our favorite artists since she emerged in 2019 with a grungey, honest, alt-pop sound. The singer-songwriter and producer grew up in the Pacific Northwest, but after moving to Los Angeles she found creative partners in the WEDIDIT collective. Since then, she’s collaborated with the likes of BROCKHAMPTON, Dominic Fike, and Kenny Beats, and in September she released an impressive new, EP Where Have All The Flowers Gone.

For the new season of Making It, we talked to Deb Never about growing up an introvert, Asian-American representation, and a love of music that has been there since before she could even walk. Watch the video above and listen to Deb’s new EP here.