With this year’s VMAs upon us, the world has been treated to an increasingly heavy stream of behind-the-scenes-all-access-VIP videos of the featured artists and hosts alike. Today, the VMA All-Access team released a series of conversations between red carpet host Grimes and Kathleen Hanna. It’s a meeting of a couple burgeoning feminist minds, though the two are quick (and right) to point out the dangers of politicizing the field.

The two go on to talk on a range of topics through the videos, from Beyoncé to Riot grrrl. Stream the other two videos below, and see what Grimes has in store for the red carpet tonight on the VMAs.

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