So you say nobody came to your aid when you were under investigation.
Well I can’t say no one came because the world know Maxine Waters took a stand where I was concerned. And I wish she would run for president tomorrow. I would do everything I could. Every dime I’ve got I would put it behind her. Because I know when the pressure is really on, and your back is against the wall, she’s gonna take a stand. And I call her the soldierette for the hip-hop culture. Yeah, that’s what I named her. The soldierette. Cause she’s gonna represent when it’s time to represent.
She was the only one in congress to speak out against that whole CIA crack connection.
Well I can’t say no one came because the world know Maxine Waters took a stand where I was concerned. And I wish she would run for president tomorrow. I would do everything I could. Every dime I’ve got I would put it behind her. Because I know when the pressure is really on, and your back is against the wall, she’s gonna take a stand.
A lot of them other people talk about what they gonna do, but this one I done saw in action. You know what I’m saying? I done saw her in action, so that proves it. As long as you right. You know what I’m saying? She ain’t gonna stand up for no wrong. But if you right, she gon’ ride.
We’re coming up on  years since Tupac was killed. Did you make an effort to stop that East/West beef? Cause I heard you were making moves behind the scenes to broker a peace.
[Laughs.] Yeah, now you heard that—right? Tell me what you heard.
Okay I’ll tell you exactly. I heard that there was an attempt to get Big and Pac to sit down and talk man to man, instead of talking in the press or talking about each other on records. And that you were the neutral party who could make that happen.
Well let me say this, because I think I read something that wasn’t that accurate about that situation. As far as me making the move to bring them together, that never happened. That never happened. I think if I would have, it could have happened. But that never happened, because when I met with one side of the program, you know, two plus two equals four all over the world. Right? It didn’t equals four.
Not that time.
No. It didn’t add up to equal four. So with it not adding up, I had to put brakes on it. See I’m like this, when I speak, I got to be in the right. It have to make sense. I have to feel real genuine when I speak. And I can’t speak—if you wrong, then I got to tell the person that you wrong. I can’t do it.
So when that picture was presented to me, I had to go back into neutal. And it’s hard for me to be able to say to any man, “Don’t feel this way,” or “this and that” or “go and explain your story,” and it ain’t no validity there... I know I’m speaking real vaguely right now. [Laughs.]
Well maybe there’s a reason you are. But it’s important to understand what you are saying.
Yeah, you know what I’m saying? But see I couldn’t speak on it cause I woulda handled things differently. I woulda handled things differently when that happened to Pac. When he got shot I woulda handled it totally differently.
Are you talking about New York or Vegas?
New York. I woulda handled it differently in Vegas too. You know what I’m saying? I would’ve handled it different in both areas. So right now I won’t speak down on neither one of them, because everybody got their own style. But I will tell you I woulda handled it differently. But I couldn’t speak on it, because it had gotten to a state... I couldn’t say what they wanted me to say. [Laughs.] You know what I’m saying? My credibility is too strong for me to go on record with this shit that they’ve tried to do.
So what are your plans for the future?
Both times 2Pac got shot, I would have handled it differently. But I couldn’t speak on it, because it had gotten to a state... I couldn’t say what they wanted me to say. [Laughs.] You know what I’m saying?
I’m gonna still keep trying to keep building up my empire. And who knows what that will turn into?
And it’s not an Enron empire that can just vanish overnight. It’s built brick by brick.
Brick by brick. Twenty-five years of bricks. So I’ll continue to add em on, piece by piece and make sure they’re strong.
From the Fifth Ward to the lake house, you’ve come a long way.
I’m in the Texas Hamptons now. You know I have to do this man. I love land, I love water. This is how I keep myself balanced. I got to come out the hood every so often and keep my scale balanced.
Do you still have a ranch?
Yeah, yeah. I have a ranch. And that's a business that deals with black angus cattle. More so than the business for me, I like because of serenity purposes. I'm big on serenity places. Actually I'm just closing on an island in Belize. So I have another serenity spot outside the US to go and be creative.
You said the whole island?
Yeah, it's an island. It's called the Prince Island.
Wow. I guess if you own the island you call it whatever you want.
M-hm. I got to have access to a lot of different things. It elevates my mind, man. I think God speak to me when I come out here.
What’s the last thing He told you?
[Laughs.] Let me think of the last thing. Well—I thought about saying something, but... Here it is: A lot of people say they love money, right? I tell people I don’t love money. But I like it so much till it’s hard to tell the difference. [Laughs.]