Who’s the Hottest Guidette on MTV’s Jersey Shore?4:01 pm | Thursday, December 10th, 2009
It’s okay, we’re using the term with love.
After a week of “holy shit, did you WATCH that?” conversations and guilty rationalizations, we couldn’t be happier that tonight marks a new episode of MTV’s magical telesavior Jersey Shore. And while we’re as happy as the next person to see what’s really good with that dude tapping Snooki’s jaw, we’d be lying if we said we weren’t looking forward to some gratuitous leg, butt, and cleavage shots from the Italian stallionettes who are running ish in Seaside Heights.
The thing is, we’re torn; one minute we think J-WOWW is our favorite, but then we’re partial to Sammi Sweetheart, and you can’t rule out the tiny chemically blackened wonder that is Snooki. So we’re gonna have to leave it up to you to decide: who’s the fairest (or at least the least foul) of them all? Read on for a full recon dossier on the four ladies, along with photo evidence and a pro/con argument, then vote for your favorite. You never know who might end up making a visit to the Complex HQ…
J-WOWW
Real Name: Jenni Farley
Background: She’s a marketer for social networking site Ignition Nation, and has a bunch of hot pictures on her member page there that we’d totally grab, except we’re too lazy to sign up for a site that bills itself as being “created by two fun-loving, carbon-monoxide breathing, combustible guys who were looking for a way to share their passion with all the other roadies, drivers, enthusiasts and fun folks out there.” She also recently was named the next cover and centerfield of The Horse, the #1 horsefucking Harley enthusiasts’ magazine. Oh, and she tried out for NYC’s Lingerie Football League team earlier this year, but sadly didn’t make it past the “do your breasts pose an environmental hazard” stage.
Pro: Since when did we care about environmental hazards?
Con: We’re not sure, but that enormous dragon tattoo on her side might gitcha.
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SAMMI SWEETHEART
Real Name: Sam Giancola
Background: A senior at William Paterson University, Sammi is a sociology major who plays midfield for the women’s soccer team! We’re no sociology majors, but we’d bet that her head-ball game is tops.
Pro: Soccer legs, which she’s already used to kick The Situation right in his ego when she chose the Boogie Down Beast, Ronnie.
Con: Unless she’s Thierry Henry, she’s not used to using her hands. Wait a minute, maybe that’s a pro…
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JOLIE
Real Name: Angelina Pivarnick
Background: A nice Shaolin girl, Angelina hasn’t yet figured out that she might want to change the privacy on her Facebook photo albums.
Pro: Dresses up like a sexy kitty-cat for Halloween.
Con: Her cock-blocking game is All-Madden, thanks no doubt to years being the “grenade girl” in her crew.
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SNOOKI
Real Name: Nicole Polizzi
Background: The Poughkeepsie native—and yes, she’s actually Italian, not just a Persian fetishists who fronts like a guidette—took Jersey Shore as a perfect opportunity to come out from the tanning bed in which she spent the first 21 years of her life. Oh, and she once appeared on the MTV show Is She Really Going Out With Him?, in which she played a tiny loud attention whore who can’t hold her liquor. Just a guess.
Pro: If you ever wanted to know what it was like to hook up with a lemur that smelled like tequila, she’s like heaven on earth!
Con: The minute you look in any other direction but straight into her eyes, she’ll hold a letter opener to her own neck until you love her again.
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WHO’S YOUR FAVORITE GUIDETTE? VOTE HERE!
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Rush December 10, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Sammi got it hands down
atima December 10, 2009 at 6:31 pm
snooki IS NOT ITALIAN… she is adopted!
Kelly Jelley December 11, 2009 at 2:34 am
SAMMI SWEEYHEART definitely has my vote for sexiest girl .
She’s sexy, looks awesome in a bikini and I like her voice. Definitely most down to earth of the guidettes LOL
ahhh man December 11, 2009 at 10:07 am
Do I have to vote for one? These chicks are beat.
Half December 11, 2009 at 12:17 pm
JWoww.
But “Not Sure If Want” for most of them…
mike December 11, 2009 at 2:53 pm
They look like skanky whores, I would not touch them with a 10 ft pole. They surely don’t look Italian and only 1 is from Jersey. The show is a disgrace to Italian Americans and a disgrace to Jersey.
2257 December 11, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Whatever. Jersey is a disgrace to the US. Take all these broke ass hoes and give ‘em to Al-Qaeda as “gifts”. I can’t vote for any of them.
Victor Slezaki December 11, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I love sports betting online. Unfortunately for me, I’m down since I started gambling online but I’ve been on the upswing. Here is one thing I have learnt in my online sports betting experiences. Do your research! Find out whos injured, not 100% healthy, home team, away team, etc. Once you have all the facts place a bet!
VaNni3 December 12, 2009 at 5:33 am
Out of all places in Jer-z…They had to go to the Shore? And why they always pickin some fuckin cornballs…LmAo…Them chicks are everyday chicks…give’em some liquor and them birds go nutz…But Jer-z has alot of background…So even if they chose others to represent it better that still couldnt speak for a whole state. But wish i was at the shore while they are shooting…so i can act a fuckin FOOOL!…lmao…
kid nice December 12, 2009 at 6:03 am
Since when are guidettes hot?
lawlz December 12, 2009 at 12:08 pm
all ugly.
Sickitten December 12, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Snooki is kinda cute but the rest are ugly plain Jane pigs.
redwaan December 13, 2009 at 9:23 am
they are all disgusting whores!
thatdrop.com December 14, 2009 at 12:53 am
more t & a herrrrre
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SeatsPro December 14, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Where is the “None of the Above” option?
President 4 Life December 14, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Well, at least it’s not just us Black folk embarrassing our people on reality TV anymore.
Jersey Shore kinda makes up for “Flavor of Love”. I hope it stays on 4 eva
lilreezy December 16, 2009 at 10:06 pm
all these bitches is trash. i fucking hate guidos, guidettes and the jersey shore. no beef with regular italian folk tho.
Alex December 18, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Can you add another choice?
NONE OF THE ABOVE.
angelina December 27, 2009 at 5:19 am
Angelina is hot, then sammi/jwoww are okay, and snooki is fucking gross
dru bittner January 5, 2010 at 11:16 am
These sluts are all filthy, diseased, cum guzzling whores. Within 5 years they will be stretched out and busted. Sammi has tree trunk legs, which may feel nice around your head while dining at the Y-provided you don’t mind herpes sores. Filthy fucking cunts
hatafree January 15, 2010 at 5:20 pm
yall are all crazy… sammy is too cute! she has really pretty hair too, and what makes any of you think she is a slut? if anyone is a whore… its mike and pauly d!
jz January 15, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Snooki’s not Italian. Just look at her. She’s an adopted Latina.
Jennifer January 19, 2010 at 8:27 am
hate to break it to “jz” but some italians are as dark as snooki and some aren’t. and italians ARE latin people. i think it’s really stupid though that if they bill the show as 8 italian americans that ronnie is like half puerto rican or something and jenni is irish (going by last names). surely they could find 8 italians from that area of all places. they really musta not looked too hard. oh well who cares…the show has like one more episode.
matteo giambanco January 24, 2010 at 4:35 pm
well jen really if you like to italians are really european. ypu are rite that most of the cast are not italian 100% on that . Well im 100% sicilian. parents dont speak a word of english. well if this cast is looking for a real deal italian that would be me.. I like what you wrote girl!!
matteo giambanco January 24, 2010 at 4:42 pm
jen hit me up on facebook talk about this show for a minute. also ppl i speak ther language and go there almost every summer
matteo giambanco January 24, 2010 at 4:40 pm
email me giambancomatteo@yahoo.com
Bill January 24, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Hi Jennifer,
Of course there are Italians as dark as Snooki (well, she looks more like an orange Umpa Lumpa than ‘dark’ in the pics here, but…), and Italians are ‘latin’. But Italians are NOT ‘latinos’ (see below) and are rarely just over 4′ tall after puberty (like Snooki), and don’t have the slanted eyes of a mestizo (like Snooki). She’s clearly what they call in Latin America a ‘mestizo’, a mix of European and Indian. Go to Mexico or Central America sometime – you’ll see Snookis everywhere.
And BTW, the term ‘Latino’ as used in the U.S. is NOT the same as the traditional terj ‘Latin’. ‘Latino’ is a recently coined political term for ‘Hispanics’ (i.e. Latin-Americans) used only in the U.S.. ‘Latin’ refers to any European people or nation that speak a Romance language (language derived from Latin). For example, the French are also Latin, but certainly not ‘Latino’.
Hope this helps – PEACE :)
sherry January 17, 2010 at 1:26 pm
How is J Woww even a guidette? don’t you have to be italian to be a guidette? Too me, she seems like the odd one out, as she’s not a proud italian and she doesn’t even remotely look like she fits in. My top guidettes would be Snooks and Sammi. Jolie just annoyed the crap out of me, and J Woww is not an italian which immediately disqualifies her in my book. Liking italian guys or culture, doesn’t make one Italian.
sherry January 17, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Some posts say Snooki isn’t italian. What proof is there of this? she looks so tanned and a true guidette. her mom came on tv, and she def looked italian. her last name is italian. how is she not italian?
Me January 18, 2010 at 10:27 am
Snookie was adopted but says she is half Italian and half Spanish. Jwoww is what Cause Farley is not an Italian name. Same with Ronnie. Ortiz part of his name is Mexican but the Magro part is Italian. He’d never become a “made man” in the mafia, lol. The rest appear to be pure bred Italians.
Joe from S.I. January 22, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Hi ‘Me’,
Ronnie looks Italian but he is apparently part Spanish or Latin-Ametican as indicated by the Spanish surname Ortiz (not necessarily Mexican, btw). Also, in the episode where his family visits, when they’re getting ready to leave you can his mom saying “vamanos”, which is Spanish slang for “we’re leaving”. Also, the girl Angelina who left the show early doesn’t have an Italian last name either (’Pavarnick’ – probably Jewish). In any event, Guidos are not necessarily Italian. Anyone from the tri-state area (NY-NJ-CT) knows this. Most are Italian and the ones who aren’t are almost certainly wannabe Italians. Back when it started in the 70’s and 80’s being a Guido had more to do with preferring ‘disco’ or dance music to rock than being Italian. It was basically inspired vy the John Travolta character in Saturday Night Fever.
IRISH PRIDE January 19, 2010 at 2:31 pm
TRUST ME MTV WONT BE FILMING ANY NEW LONG ISLAND ASSHOLE GUIDO JERSEY SHORE EPISODES IN 2010 THIS SUMMER KNOW IT!- THE COMMUNITY AIN’T GOING TO HAVE IT THIS TIME.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE READY THIS TIME. AND NOT BE CAUGHT OFF GUARD UNTILL IT’S TO LATE TO STOP FILMING IT. LIKE THE LAST TIME. THOSE L.I. OUTSIDE GUIDOS HAVE MADE MORE ENEMYS IN THE COMMUNITY THAN THEY CAN SHAKE A STICK AT. AND THE COMMUNITY IS GETTING READY TO KILL THOSE GUIDO FUCKS THIS TIME IF THEY EVER SHOW THERE FACES BACK THE ON THE JERSEY SHORE AGAIN.
THAT LAME SHOW WAS A ONE SHOT DEAL. 2009 WILL NOT BE REPEATED AGAIN IN 2010. -KNOW IT!
Zanked January 21, 2010 at 3:00 pm
People are saying that they don’t look Italian. I lived in Italy; they don’t act Italian, Jersey Shore folks are skanky, but yes, they do look Italian.
Joe from S.I. January 22, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Hi Zanked,
I’m part Italian-American I’ve traveled throughout Italy, and I’d agree most of the cast looks Italian, but they look Sicilian or from the Italian ‘deep south’. While this darker look – which my family had as well, btw – is over represented in America. In other parts of Italy the people aren’t particularly ‘ethnic’ looking and ib the north pale blondes are common. Of course, this doesn’t mean there aren’t swarthy northerners or blue eyed blonde Sicilians, they’re just relatively rare. Snooki however is obviously Latin-American. I had that called long before I heard she was adopted from Latin-America. She clearly has substantial meso-american Indian ancestry. Being from Guatemala it’s unlikely she’s half Italian. With her short stature, stocky build, and slanted eyes, I doubt she’s even half Spaniard. She’s likely more Mayan than anything else – not that there’s anything wrong with that). Peace ;)
Balls January 21, 2010 at 3:04 pm
On the west coast we have East L.A. – a small section of Los Angeles where many Mexican Americans can’t seem to leave and have created their own culture, which is neither Mexican nor American; who knows qhat it is. On the East coast we have the same thing for the Italians, but they have taken over an entire state!
Jukstapose January 22, 2010 at 10:23 am
Angelina can get it and Jwow looks like a freak
djpaulyd January 22, 2010 at 12:26 pm
yo not for nothin but sam is BUSTED trust me i was on the show. YO DJ PAULY D GET AT ME ON FACEBOOK.
Joe from S.I. January 22, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Snooki is obviously a Latin-American mestizo. It’s not her complexion that gives it away, she has Amerindian facial features and body type. And yes, Italians are Latin (as are the French and even many Belgians and Swiss, among others). Latin and Latino are different, the latter being an American political term for a Latin-American. Also, just because JWOWW has an Irish last name doesn’t mean she couldn’t ALSO be Italian. There are LOTS of people of mixed Italian/Irish heritage, especially in NY/NJ area.
American Idiots January 23, 2010 at 2:43 am
On Snooki:
Being Chilean does not equal not being Italian. There are over 800,000 Italians in Chile. Where the hell do you think all of those people in South America came from, the Inca? Or maybe the Mayans? Americans are idiots. Look at a map and learn some history.
Rob January 23, 2010 at 6:44 pm
To the poster called ‘AmericanIdiots’:
(1) The descendants of the Mayans and Incas and other indigenous Amerindian groups form the majority of most Latin-American countries, so you’re the ignoramus here.
(2) Chile’s population is roughly 5% indigenous (Mapuche Indian),with the rest being roughly half mestizo (white/Indian mix) and half white. The two largest white ethnic groups are Spanish and German. There are even more English in Chile than Italians (in fact German and English are official languages there along with Spanish and the Mapudungun, the language of the indigenous Mapuche Indians). So while even if she was from Chile, she’d still far more likely be a mestizo without Italian ancestry. But SHE’S NOT FROM CHILE. She’s from Guatemala, whose population is overwhelmingly mestizo with few Italians.
(3) Regardless of where she says she’s from, it’s obvious from her appearance she’s a mestizo. She has an Amerindian body type and facial features. Hers is a look typical of Mexican and Central American mestizos. This isn’t a put down of her, it’s just stating the obvious.
(4) I agree a lot of Americans are anthropoligically and historically illiterate and can’t tell the difference between 4.5 foot Indians and tall white Spaniards, but you’re clearly just as ignorant.
American Idiots January 24, 2010 at 4:32 pm
To Rob,
Obviously you are exactly the type of idiot to which I was referring. I was making a logical, not statistical, statement. Saying a person is from Chile, does not logically imply that the person is not Italian. Further, I was indicating that very large percentages of South America are populated by Europeans, just as is the case in the United States.
Of course the statistics you report are a mixture of facts and errors. Countries like Uruguay and Argentina are populated with over 85% Europeans. However it is true that countries like Chile have smaller European populations, but that is also a country that is much smaller than Argentina.
I think it would be more accurate to try to normalize the numbers I cited rather than go on a meaningless tirade as you have. Chile’s population is ~16M and with 800k Italians, that means that roughly 5% of the population is Italian. Similarly, New York State has a population of ~19M with about 1.9M Italians, or about 10%.
So beyond my logical statement, one can consider this loose comparison of statistics. New York State and Chile are roughly the same size in population. Further, New York state has the most residents claiming Italian heritage of any state in the Union. Now consider Chile, which again is about the same size. It has only half as many Italians as the US state, of the same size, in which the most Italians live.
This is all I was saying. It’s stupid to say that being Chilean implies that a person is not Italian.
Obviously, you’re still the idiot.
different rob January 30, 2010 at 1:35 am
Why don’t you two use your powers for good, rather than determining the ethnicity of snooki?
Rob January 24, 2010 at 6:21 pm
To the poster calling themself ‘AmericanIdiots’,
I never said ‘being from Chile = not being Italian’ (a single post here by someone else here suggested that). As you note, I acknowledged a small % of the Chilean population is Italian. What I did say was that even if Snooki was from Chile (and she’s not, she’s from Guatemala), it is unlikely she’d be part Italian and far more likely she be what she looks like – a mestizo – than Italian. Nearly half the pooulation of Chile is mestizo, and the clearly has mestizo facial features and body type. Note also that the European part of mestizos in Chile (and elsewhere in Latin America) is almost always Spanish and rarely Italian.
You never even address the fact that ‘Snooki’ isn’t even from Chile; she was adopted from Guatemala, whose popukation is mostly medtizo and has about as many Italians as it does polar bears.
Also, Chile is not similar to NY so far as the Italian % of the population. NY state has a population of about 20 million, and about 15% are Italian. That’s 3 times the 5% of Chile. Also, unlike Chile, Italians are the largest white ethnic group in NY, so if someone is white and from NY they are most likely Italian, just as a white Chilean is most likely Spanish.
Is Snooki really worth all this discussion?
JESSY January 25, 2010 at 8:14 pm
ok u guys u all our idiots. snooki is just plain effin ugli.although she is nice i am a latina mexican and puertorican. although my dads grandparents left rome to go to mexico city. in latin america u have a lot of italians. although that bitch is jsut ugly. last feb i visited my aunts in rome and yes i saw ugli bitches like snooki. and latin americans have curvy bodies. she is jsut a miget and that is why she is like that. and my moms grandparents are actually from madrid. i have no mestizo in me and i know many latinos that r the same. in guatemala i believe it is one of the countires that have a lot of white people and also costa rica in central america.
Frank January 25, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Jolie has a nice natural rack and is somewhat pretty but her attitude is atrocious!
JWOWW just plain trashy looking. Sometimes she looks very cute until she shows her jacked up teeth.
Sammie is pretty but her attitude is also weak sauce.
Snookie is just ridiculous but she seems like the most fun outta the group.
Rob January 26, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Dude, I am 100% Italian and have been surrounded by Italian’s my whole life. I’m telling you that there is absolutely no way that she is Italian. I guess it’s possible that she has a little Italian in her, but it’s definitely not dominant. I can’t say whether she’s Chilean or Guatemalan or whatever, just that she is obviously not Italian.
Also, gotta go with Sammi for the hottest.
butterball January 27, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Angelia is the hottest with her natural rack. It’s a shame she has to be a cock blocker. It easy that she had the best body. Sami not bad, great legs probably from playing soccer. J Woww looks like a hooker on pacfic ave in atlantic city. Snookie, you have to be kidding me. She reminds me of a little po-bear
brian January 29, 2010 at 3:08 pm
i have been around italians and snooki looks very italian there are plenty of italians that look like snooki
Victor February 2, 2010 at 1:16 am
MTV should be ashamed of itself. Not for being anti-Italian, since they haven’t – IMHO – consciously done anything anti-Italian. They should be ashamed of encouraging ethnocentrism and tribalism. I thought it was really ugly when Sammi said to some slob one night “you don’t belong here” because she “didn’t look Italian” (neither does half the cast, btw). If they wanted to do a show about NY-NJ, metro NYC youth culture, they could’ve done so w/o making it so specifically Italian. What are the odds a show called, say, ‘Chosen” featuring 8 arrogant, ethnocentric, rich, ivy league educated JEWS in NYC and/or vicinity would ever be made? (hint: 0%).
Gary S. February 2, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Another phony thing about Snooki is her ‘New Yawk accent’. The NY accent is only heard in the 5 boroughs of NYC, Long Island, and Westchester County (just above the Bronx). The New England accent is similar. However, they DO NOT have NY accents in Poughkeepsie, where Snook is from. They pronounce their R’s very strongly and sound nothing like NYC. Snooki’s NY accent is obviously fake to anyone from NYC (e.g. “pahty goil hee-ya”). And PLEASE stop calling it a ‘Jersey accent’. People in Jersey sound nothing like NYC. They over pronounce their R’s while NYCers don’t pronounce them at all. The only people in Jersey who drop their Rs are either originally from NYC or faking a NYC accent to sound cool.
John February 6, 2010 at 1:23 am
They are so Italian. I am glad America finally can see real Italians!
ANDREA February 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm
sam is the cutest and j-woww is hot….all you haters are jealous
Al February 20, 2010 at 1:45 am
The people on this show in no way represent the average Italian-American (especially considering at least 2 or 3 cast members are not even ethnically Italian at all). Snookie Italian?? Please, I’m Italian-American, have known plenty of Italians/Italian-Americans, and have been to Italy. Although her pigmentation is not so different from that of SOME Italians from the far south (mainly Sicily/Calabria), her facial features and stature show clear Native American influence, hence she’s actually Chilean (mestizo). That said, most Italians actually don’t look too “ethnic” a la some Sicilians and others from the far south, but rather look closer to an average brown-haired European appearance like a Frenchman. Anyway, another girl is Irish/Spanish, and one guy’s last name is “Ortiz” or something like that, which is a Spanish name (since we’re in NYC/NJ most likely Puerto Rican).
The fact is, this show is merely a depiction of the “guido” subculture with some cast members who happen to be of Italian descent. Unfortunately, the producers of this show have made it appear to be a representation of Italian-Americans when this is so far removed from an accurate representation that it’s not even funny. Indeed, it’s kind of insulting honestly, considering how trashy and classless these people act.
Tell you what. Let’s have a show depicting negative stereotypes of groups such as Jews, Muslims/Arabs, or African-Americans and see how far we get ;). Gotta love double standards. Oh well, thank God for “Family Guy” haha.
tt78 February 26, 2010 at 5:51 pm
let me 1st off state that i am mostly of Sicilian heritage, am not a guid”ette”, & have lived most of my life in central & southern NJ. aside from that, i have lived in the caribbean, central america, south texas, & nyc. i have never been to Sicily or mainland Italy, but i have my huge 1st generation family as a reference for what “we” look like, as well as a plethora of Italian & Italian-American friends & neighbors. Snooki could easily be any one of them, going by body type, facial structure; her whole physicality. let me add here that ppl have thought that i am puerto rican or mexican or cuban my entire life because of my body type & facial structure. i don’t remember ever seeing anyone that looked like snooki (in the face) in my travels through honduras, nicaragua, costa rica, etc. Body type of snooki, well maybe w/o the boobs but there are PLENTY of short, wide southern italian women. does anyone realize that sicilians & many southern italians have a substantial portion of arab blood, & that arabs look alot like some amerindians? & even if she is half guatamalan or chilean or WHATEVER, or if some of the other ppl on the show are half irish, or puerto rican, or WHATEVER, if the italian (or italian-american) side of their heritage dominated (which it usually will) in terms of what they grew up w/, then why try to take that away from them when u can’t? if someone is half one thing & half something else, but they grow up identifying w/ the one thing more than the other, what the hell is everybody so bent out of shape & arguing about the validity of it for, when whatever your opinion is doesn’t even matter? these people don’t need your permission to identify w/ or as what they feel closest to. don’t u consider someone who is half black an “african-american”, after all? did america not just “make history” by electing a half-white “black” president? i rest my case. lol, as for someone’s mom saying, “vamanos”, it’s not slang for anything; it means “let’s go”, & that in&of itself doesn’t make the speaker any more hispanic than it made Arnold Schwartzenegger when he said “hasta la vista, baby.”
Steve February 27, 2010 at 1:23 am
Hi tt78,
First of all, ‘vamanos’ IS slang for the two word expression “vama nos”, which means “let’s go”. It’s roughly the equivalent of saying in english something like “y’all” or “wassup”.
Second, Ronnie’s hispanic-ness is not in question, his real name is Ortiz.
Third, Arabs look nothing like Ameridians. Arabs are dark skinned caucasians. Amerindians are mongoloid, the same racial group as Asians. And while there are certainly many short, wide hipped Sicilians, they are rarely 4 foot something like Snooki. But the aspect of Snooki’s appearance that is most tell tale of her Amerindian background is the cast of her eyes, which are slightly slanted, a mongoloid racial feature NOT found in Sicilians.
Fourth, her adopting parents were on the show, are both tall, and look NOTHING like her.
Fifth, SNOOKI ADMITS SHE’S AN ADOPTED LATIN AMERICAN for crisakes. There is nothing to debate here.
The fact is, many people, including many Italian-Americans, feel that the cast, who regardless of what their actual ethnicity is, where presented as Italian, and made themselves and by extention all Italians look like asses. So they are well within their rights to point out that about half the cast is in fact at best half Italian. I personally think it’s just a damn reality TV show, and anyone who forms their opinions about Italians on it, good or bad, is an idiot.
The real problem with the show, I think, and as others have said, is not that it ‘bashes Italians’, but that it promotes ethnocentric tribalism. Obsessing on race and ethnic identity has proven divisive and disastrous throughout history. We need to pay less, not more attention to it. We need to focus on our common humanity, not these petty tribal differences.
No offense intended here tt, I think you’re heart’s in the right place and all…. :)
PEACE
Steve February 27, 2010 at 1:46 am
P.S.- One slight correction to the above. While vamanos is slang, it is not a one word form of a two word expression ‘vama nos’ as stated above but a slangy version of the more formal expression ‘vayamonos’, which means ‘lets go’. It’s like in english when you say ‘How ya doin?’ instead of ‘How are you doing’.
Joey V. from Old Bridge, NJ February 27, 2010 at 2:16 am
Arabs don’t look Amerindian, TT. Like Steve said, Arabs are basically just darker skinned caucasians (e.g. Saddam Hussein). The look a lot like southern Europeans to begin with (swarthy meditteranean types). Some Arabs may have some black admixture (vaguely mulatto, like Osama Bin Laden), but they don’t have the Mongoloid features of Amerindians and mestizos.
Also, whike I agree that people should be free to identify with whatever part of their heritage they want to, you can’t compare Obama’s blackness to Snooki’s Italianess (if she has any, which is doubtful) because that has to do with the racist American idea that if you have even a drop of black blood, you are just black. No one would deny that someone who is half Italian isn’t Italian (just not all Italian). And your statement that the Italian part of people who are half Italian always ‘dominates’ is ridiculous. Some identify more with their Italian side, some do not. For example, everyone thinks of John Travolta as only Italian, even though he’s half Irish. But nobody thinks of Jack Nicholson as Italian, though he is also half Italian. And also, looking Italian doesn’t = looking ‘dark’. There are many Italians who are not dark. Most Italian-Americans are ‘dark’ because they are overwhelmingly from southern Italy and Sicily. I myself prefer the darker, southern type of Italian, but I love woman from all parts of Italy and beyond, all races, etc. I’m sick of this obsession with complexion and ethnicity. What is this, Yugoslavia?
Vincent February 27, 2010 at 3:55 am
No offense TT, but what you say makes no sense.
Even if some Arabs looked Amerindian (which, as others have pointed out, is ridiculous), how would the fact that Snooki looks like Italians who are actually Arabs who look Amerindian make a case for her looking Italian? To look Italian is to look like the indigenous, historical population of Italy, not to look like a mix of indigenous Italian and Arab invader.
After all, to the extent any Italian is Arab, they are not Italian. It strikes me as a very convoluted case for claiming Snooki looks Italian!
To me, she looks vaguely Adian or Native-American (i.e. ‘Indian’ or ‘Amerindian’) to me. She certainly appears to be substantially caucasian as well, but this is typical of ‘mestizos’ in Latin-America. Given her admission of being adopted from Latin-America, and her extremely short stature (shorter than short Sicilians), the most reasonable guess is that she’s a Spanish-Indian mix from Latin-America.
What’s the big deal?
Vinny seems like a decent, smart young man. Mike and Paulie appear to be nice guys but don’t seem too bright (I get the sense Mike may just be playing dumb). But Ronnie is just a juiced thug and Sammie and JWOWW are skanks. Snooki actually seems like a basically good natured person and unlike the others, her outrageous behavior is mitigated to some extent by the fact that she’s so young. Too bad she’s such a slut. Where did these girls get the idea that sluttiness is cool?
Tony February 28, 2010 at 2:36 am
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Since the broad label ‘hispanic’ includes anyone from a Spanish speaking culture regardless of their race, and further considering that media depictions of hispanics have historically been almost exclusively of ‘white’ hispanics (hispanics with a predominantly European background), it’s not surprising a southern Italian (or a Greek or even a swarthy Frenchman for that matter) could be seen as ‘looking hispanic’. Any dark haired, dark eyed, mediterranean type could ‘pass’ for ‘hispanic’, but only for a ‘white’ hispanic. No mediterraneans look like New World ‘Indians’ as Snookie does.
Another problem here is that Americans are so historically and anthropologically illiterate that they don’t know what an Amerindian looks like. For sp many years, white actors have played the roles of ‘Indians’ on screen that to the average American, anyone with long dark hair and a tan could look plausibly ‘Indian’ to them.
Well, in reality, the native peoples of the Americas look NOTHING like white ethnics. They are more closely related to and look more like Asians than anyone from Europe or the middle east. No informed person could ever think Amerindians and Italians (or Arabs or Italians mixed with Arabs) looked remotely alike.
Terry March 3, 2010 at 10:45 pm
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Stop your bitching. Cast member Ronnie Ortiz has stated publicly, in defense of charges the show makes Italians look bad, that “only half the cast is Italian”. Considering Sammy, Mike, Vinny, and Paulie are all 100% Italian, he must be referring to JWOWW (Irish), Snooki (a vaguely Indian looking creature brought to the U.S. from somewhere in Latin-America), Angelina (Jewish), and himself (Puerto Rican) as the non-Italians.
George March 8, 2010 at 10:01 pm
The fact that so many of Sicilian heritage should identify so forcefully as ‘Italian’ is really absurd. Ethnically, Sicilians are more likely to descend from Greeks, Berbers, Arabs or even Scandinavians than the indigenous population of the Italian peninsula. The local dialect is more different from mainstream Italian than mainstream Spanish. It’s just a whim of fate that the island ended up part of the modern state of Italy, which NEVER EXISTED BEFORE 1861, BTW. It might easily have become it’s own state, or been incorporated as part of France or Spain, in which case none of these Sicilian-American ‘guidos’ would be thought of or even think of themselves as ‘Italian’. In fact, ALL OF ITALY could well have ended up as part of Spain, part of France, part of Austria-Hungary, and the rest merged with what became Germany (also a country invented around 1860-something), in which case there’d be no such thing as ‘an Italian’, much less an ‘Italian-American’. Italy is in many ways a nation like the U.S. and in others like the former Yugoslavia, a polyglot of many ethicities relatively recently joined under one flag. How it is that in America, Italian-Americans have become so incredibly ethocentric and have this delusion of sharing a single culture and phenotype is surely one of the greatest ironies of history.
Not long ago, people used to think of Yugoslavian as a single country. I knew many kids growing up who proudly identified as ‘Yugoslavian’. Nobody ever talked of Bosnians or Kosovans, two name just 2 of the elements of the notorious ethnic boiling pot that was Yugoslavia. Now the suggestion that Croatians and Serbs and Bosnians might all be collectively referred to as a single ethnic group, “Yugoslavs” would bring only laughs or tears.
Sure, Italy is no where near as divided as the former Yugoslavia, but it is AT LEAST as ethnically diverse.
Marianne March 8, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Ouch! Boy George, the Guidos won’t take too kindly to that. Don’t vacation at the Juhsey Shaw anytime soon.
It’s true of course. Italian-American culture really has more to do with America than Italy. It’s the culture formed by immigrants to the US, mostly from the poor south of the then (and really, even now) recently newly formed ‘nation’ of Italy. They formed a collective identity in the slums of NY. Maybe that’s why the Irish, Italians, and Jews are so ethnocentric. All they talk about is their ethnicity, but none of them even had a country until very recently (Italy-1861, Ireland-1916, Israel-1947). It’s so shallow. If you derive your sense of pride and identity on a condition of birth which you had nothing to do with, you are utterly replaceable with any othe4 member of your tribe. Only losers who can’t forge an identity or achieve on their own wave ethnic flags. Ethnocentrism-the sure sign of a loser.
Note that I don’t say this to bash Italians, Irish, and Jews, just the douchbags among them who ate so f*cking tribal.
It’s America, you know? If Italy, Ireland, and Israel are so great, GO THERE.