VIDEO: Inside The KDU Creative Collective
Sure you may think you’re creative, but when it comes to out-of-the-box thinking, there’s not a bigger collective than The KDU. In 2003, the Keystone Design Union was put together, in order to act as a creative strategic consultancy, and today now has 800 members in 60 different countries worldwide.
In this two-part video series, we sit down with some of the charter members from the clique like musician 88 Keys, photographer Phill Knott, designer Eric Vogel, artist Aerosyn-Lex Mestrovic, as well as President of the cooperative, David Gensler. To learn more about The KDU, watch parts 1 and 2 of “Inside The KDU” below…
PART 1: ON THE COLLECTIVE
PART 2: ON THE ART OF COLLABORATION
BeLuxe July 8, 2009 at 7:17 pm
“THE IDEA OF COLLABORATION IS AT THE CORE OF THE CREATIVE PROCESS….” THE KDU HAS IT GOING ON!!! CHECK IT OUT…
CL July 9, 2009 at 2:19 pm
nice.
Okay... July 9, 2009 at 11:53 pm
So what exactly do they do? I just hear a bunch of big words and complicated phrases getting thrown around without specifically breaking down what their main objectives are.
Profit July 10, 2009 at 2:16 am
Build brands and make money.
Spoken Word July 10, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Beware of anybody who asks you to trust them. I have this message to all those of the KDU, fend for yourself and keep it in check. The KDU is invisible. The only one to profit from all of this is Dave Gensler. Period.
Haterade July 12, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Spoke Word must have had their feelings hurt and felt neglected at some point. fend YOURSELF. We are watching.
100 July 12, 2009 at 1:14 am
Hi Haters!
HELL YEA! July 16, 2009 at 8:54 am
David Gensler is a very intelligent man! Making a lot of money out from a large amount of people, and making the wolf look like a fuffy little sheep – by saying it all works out from COLLABORATION… hahaha… very nice, very nice!
100 July 16, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Oh my… Hello Haters!
plasmosis July 16, 2009 at 6:37 pm
KDU is setting an example out to the World on how ALL Companies and other Design Agencies should work! No more “Buy this car to drive to work – Drive to work to pay for this car”… (traffic sold separately)
Spoken word II July 17, 2009 at 5:03 pm
imo kdu is stupid i was thekdu member and never been asked to collaboration. however its only be proud of thekdu and shout out to everyone, the more shout out you respect kdu for nothing, people will remember the name. thekdu is about the brand and money-making by david.g. all the artists must put thekdu credit, build the portfolios and no money from collarboration with thekdu. it’s completely free you work for kdu. now you know the truth. you see the most of the eldest artists left kdu because there’s nothing interested about kdu, only do free works for david while he makes money from your work-so-hard and you put it in your portfolio with kdu credit which is useless. david is very smart to trick the young artists and has built thekdu what the world know.
i agree with spoken word. sorry my eng is not my first lang. im from europe.
Spoken Word is Right July 18, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Why is Complex giving props to the KDU, what have they really done? You only see the Royal when Gensler is around. What stores carry SVSV? Chris Bevans you are a genius designer, what is Gensler doing for you? Monihan you are an amazing filmmaker and artist, has Gensler got you paid?
KDU puts on a good show, but at the end of day, it seems like it all comes back to Gensler. I ain’t really even have nothing against the guy personally. But this is more of the same type of d-riding, and for what? I bet one of Gensler’s old interns is now at Complex and pitched this idea of a KDU story.
I really enjoy many of the KDU artists, they are super talented and can get props all on their own, so unless KDU is putting food on your table, can someone explain why you would ride for the KDU?
I’ve never heard of any of these people getting paid from the KDU.
theOctagon July 18, 2009 at 3:32 am
Gensler probably IS a few of the people giving props to the KDU right now. he is probably logged on as BeLux, 100, as Hell Yea.
nice work. but none of it is his.
sup July 18, 2009 at 7:35 am
It’s true KDU is a complete sham led by a bunch off money hungry, power hungry, manipulative jerks. These promo videos are nothing but fluff and the illusion of the kdu as a legit company.
Really they are just acting as brokers to poor unsuspecting artists. If you’ve got talent, find other people that are the same and work directly with them. No need to go through the kdu posse and not get paid or recognized for your work.
100 July 19, 2009 at 5:40 pm
so much hate. so many haters. just logs on fire that will never be put out. sad to be so jealous – if you are going to come at something – at least come at it with an alternative – not just words. Do SOMETHING that deserves praise or hate… dont just write shit about people on blogs. People that hate the KDU are broke or lost or get ignored by the KDU. Gensler is loved as much as he is hated – but nothing seems to stop him or the KDU.
Saying the same OLD shit about him and the group only fuels the fire. If you want to se him and the KDU go away – stop paying attention. seems like sound advice – that you will not take.
200 July 19, 2009 at 5:42 pm
so much hate. so many haters. just logs on fire that will never be put out. sad to be so jealous – if you are going to come at something – at least come at it with an alternative – not just words. Do SOMETHING that deserves praise or hate… dont just write shit about people on blogs. People that hate the KDU are broke or lost or get ignored by the KDU. Gensler is loved as much as he is hated – but nothing seems to stop him or the KDU.
Saying the same OLD shit about him and the group only fuels the fire. If you want to se him and the KDU go away – stop paying attention. seems like sound advice – that you will not take.
BD July 20, 2009 at 11:58 am
The negative criticism of David Gensler & the KDU has nothing to do with hate. That’s just an easy way for DG to deflect critism. As a former ‘member’ of the KDU I see this as a public service announcement. It’s right and proper that people should speak up where there is abuse of young and inexperienced artists.
The KDU claims some immensely talented people as its members, but many of them are young and experienced artists of amazing talent who are being used and abused by Dave Gensler. LOVE the KDU artists, despise the shameless self-promotion and egotistical behavior of DG.
The ’success’ of the KDU is not the success of their artists, it is the success of David Gensler alone. The KDU will continue because it preys on inexperience and naivety – it takes industry experience and marketing savvy to understand that what you’re hearing from DG is Bullsh*t.
I wish all the best to all the creative talent allegedly represented by the KDU, but urge everything to actually stop and LISTEN to DG for a minute. Use your own mind to think whether you really believe and what he’s saying and if it feels ‘right’ to you, then ask yourself what has he really done for you, and what have you done for him.
Bucky Turco July 20, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Let me keep it simple: This is the stupidest thing I ever wasted time watching.
Gensler July 20, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Bucky – you are always welcome to come to the office and express yourself face to face – like a man.
D
Bucky Turco July 21, 2009 at 6:21 pm
If you weren’t soooo bitch, I’d take that as a threat, but you are, so I’m not.
Hah July 21, 2009 at 10:54 am
It’s gotta be nice to run a company that is corrupt in so many ways. Not paying people for their work? Give me a break.
Feta July 21, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Ha ha… this is funny. Octagon is right. 100 200, and a few of the other comments are definitely coming from Gensler logging in under different names.
Polkadotkwame July 21, 2009 at 7:29 pm
(through the lens of linguistics)
DG_
To sell the dream, drive a movement, and have the world mobilize around a “colalborative crusade,” you/we have to understand the KDU/your vision. Frankly and purely based on these propagandizing pieces, I’m not getting it. Brevity and simplicity is evidence of clear thinking.
This all reminds of when, in 2000, the Razorfish founders where interviewed by Bob Simons of 60 Minutes II (short-lived) fame.
When asked what is it they do, as a company, Jeff Dachis answered, “We’ve asked our clients to recontextualize their business. We’ve re- … recontextualized what it is to be a business-services … and that’ll continually … ”
Simon’s face went blank. It wasn’t the look of helpless confusion millions of Americans were experiencing as Dachis stuttered at them through their TV sets. Rather, it was the sedate, self-satisfied gaze of a 60 Minutes reporter about to yank the lever of the show’s legendary trapdoor.
Anyway, you get where I’m going with all of this.
Hey Bucky, take it easy. No need to decry for a public execution. To quote Heinrich Heine, “One should forgive one’s enemies, but not before they are hanged.” DG is doing a fine job marching himself to the gallows with that tribal dialect bs.
Keep simple. KISS.
The Polkadot
Good July 24, 2009 at 2:31 am
since you wrote the only smart shit on here… nice. but one that puts so much into pushing against something should at least showcase what you have accomplished. bucky is simply a fat slob that is a coward and failure – easy to dismiss… but please if you attack someone who is not attacking you – then showcase your own pov and resume of what has been created by your own hands. ; – )
Shai July 21, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools.
~Albert Einstein
There a lot of fools out there… and I’m sure they will reply. DG Keep doing what you do Bro!!!
God Bless The KDU
baskew July 22, 2009 at 12:21 pm
If you didn’t get paid for projects you worked on, it’s your own fault.
Bucky Turco July 24, 2009 at 6:21 pm
So true story. David Gensler signed in as several accounts here. That’s how pathetic he’s become and how fake his house-of-cards-like company is. If any of you believe anything the bald Homer Simpson looking dude, it’s shameful. Why not just sign your name David and not be so bitch, oh that’s right, cause you are.
Cannonball1978 July 29, 2009 at 2:54 am
“Haters” — trumped up term to de-legitimize the spoken truth about how inflated and lacking in content the KDU is.
Gensler, the man whose sole talent is perpetrating the cult of personality, and his affiliates, who “opt-in” to the collective. To be honest, outside of the hype net cast far and wide by the KDU, I’ve never actually seen their work anywhere. Of the stuff that they do boast, it’s interesting, and some of it is pretty, and it is uncanny how so many artists can produce work that is all seemingly within the same style, but when you break it down it’s what I like to call “Chinese Food Design.”
You eat and eat and you’re never quite full.
Drudged August 1, 2009 at 12:29 am
As some of the others noted, the major problem with the KDU is that these individual artists get their name and their work diluted by being part of some “collective”. Suddenly work that’s done by Hellovon and Si Scott get credited to *The KDU*, this anonymous collective, instead of the real talent.
I was also a member of the KDU. The first issues the “haters” raised are correct: there is little to no money to be made from this “collaboration.” You do free work for David Gensler’s pet projects in order to build up the man’s ego. You can get just as much exposure and opportunity hyping yourself, instead of hyping his glorified web-ring.
You guys remember web-rings, right? You link to his site, he links to your site, you all link to their site, and they link back? It’s a circlejerk of patting on the back, but it matters little to anyone outside the clique.
Cannonball1978: “Chinese Food Design” is dead on, because Gensler is all talk, no substance.
LoverinCaptivity August 1, 2009 at 12:43 am
David Gensler is a hack, let’s be honest. The KDU is just a way for Gensler to take credit for the work of truly talented designers and artists. The talent makes no money, they get no real exposure (thanks to David, none of the publicity that the artists might have gotten can escape the blackhole that is his insatiable ego)
Do you know how ridiculous The KDU is? There is no real organization…no unity to any project they’ve undertaken.
Here’s how it works, take it from an insider. Gensler comes up with some hairbrained idea, says “Ok everybody, make something!” and then gives them a deadline.
A monkey could do that job! There’s no coordination, planning, nor working towards a common goal.
Just take a look at the DIESEL project or the Summer Solstice books or anything they’ve done. It’s this horrid mish-mash of works all clamoring for attention, but nothing really working together. Si Scott + Justin Maller + Aerosyn Lex? Their styles are so distinct and different it ends up just looking ridiculous next to each other.
Sometimes there isn’t anything below the surface. That’s the reason David cannot articulate the purpose and function of the KDU.
D is evil August 1, 2009 at 2:52 pm
loverincaptivity is right
Quote:
“Just take a look at the DIESEL project or the Summer Solstice books or anything they’ve done. It’s this horrid mish-mash of works all clamoring for attention, but nothing really working together. Si Scott + Justin Maller + Aerosyn Lex? Their styles are so distinct and different it ends up just looking ridiculous next to each other.”
yeah it doesn’t work like that. Thekdu’s is useless. I no longer respect kdu or david, most of good artists left so I left. Only young inexperienced artists are stuck with kdu, they think they’re proud themselves to be top notch. my ex-kdu members and I know these young members will see in their eyes and leave kdu one day, sooner or later.
An insider of thekdu, the works are pretty much nothing (only kdu helps us build up our portfolio, those among well known clients are real but mainly ‘pitch’ concepts), we don’t get paid, we required to put thekdu credit in our portfolio or any publication. this is only help David’s kdu marketing FOR HIMSELF, not FOR US but ONLY HELP US BUILDING our portfolio to get the clients. Kdu isnt real organisation. you know I could start similar to kdu but mainly i could USING/ABUSING artists, manipulate them, thats what David does. sorry david, have to tell the truth. you’re nothing.
Tim McGrabs August 2, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I would be interested in:
A) Who are kdu members anyway, is there a list?
B) Who are kdu members that left?
B) how much time do you have to devote to KDU, and could any member make a living off it or is it just portfolio bling?
However please understand that the kdu isn’t a client, it’s a representation company. Hence you might win some or just not.
dingo August 2, 2009 at 4:30 pm
been there, done that. as an ex member i’ve seen that members don’t get any money from doing work for the kdu and gensler is a freakin thug. he uses young artists and designers to make artwork for his pseudo collective but they don’t get anything but a blog post. cash for collabos? no way, gensler will keep it. the whole industry knows he’s a thug and i wonder why complex is still showing his stupid face. nobody carries his brands, he’s selling zero.
the sad thing is that he’s talking all those great designers into getting into the kdu, uses them and throws them away. all those young and inexperienced artists see the shiny face of the kdu, sign up, do work, get shit promised and then get fucked over.
all the negative things people said in the comments are true, i hope people will stop signing up for that shit.
Good August 2, 2009 at 6:55 pm
anyone that decides to pass judgement hiding behind an alias is simply a coward. At least Bucky, in his ultimate fat kid on a small bike reality – had the balls to post his real name. as current member – I am not aware of ex-members – I am aware of people who simply did not have the talent to make the cut or produce a bunch of photoshop crap and never evolved. The KDU makes no promises to members – all real members know that. The KDU laughs face of anyone that claims to be or have been a member that hides behind an alias. The KDU basks in the glory or idiots that are spending their time keeping this post live and not working to put money in their accounts – Gensler is many things – but “not busy” is not one of them. We obviously know who is writing this the comments – a few people that felt left out, a few faggots in Boston, maybe two douche bags in San Fran, an angry no one in Philly and a few random people that got fired for beat up along the way. We literally feed off this… we become stronger. so please, continue… please have a fat Bucky make threats towards a person that would break his fat ass in pieces – please keep claiming you have been a member – please keep saying big terrible things on the internet and never opening your mouth face to face – or visiting the office to express your most passionate opinions like men. and AS a real member – Gensler does not take credit for my work or anyone else’s work – all work is clearly cited – especially to the clients – so your make believe comments are 100% proof you are full of shit and have no idea how the system works. again – thanks for keeping this terrible horrible thing alive and well… truly thanks.
Who Are You? August 3, 2009 at 9:22 pm
It appears that you are hiding under an alias…
REALITY August 2, 2009 at 7:00 pm
WOW WOW WOW!!! we just realized Karmaloop and Slam X are part of the fucking Complex media network… I wonder who could be sitting here all day talking shit. UNTIL SOMEONE KNOCKS ON THE FRONT DOOR and MANS THE FUCK UP – NONE OF THIS SHIT TALK MATTERS. any fag that HIDES is a fucking FAGS – except if you are Bucky – then you just a BIG FAT IDIOT that is BROKE and BEGGING for ANYONE to pay attention. it all just made sense. GREAT SUNDAY!!! now fire back the this and that… and remain in the shadows like the fucking fags you are.
bonseff August 2, 2009 at 7:52 pm
One.
{/sarcasm}
PJ Laundry! August 3, 2009 at 2:19 am
I have been a member of the KDU for nearly 10 years. I do not flaunt the kdu like a badge of design honor as if it is suppose to do my job for me, because it does not. What I contribute to the kdu because of a shared appreciation and enthusiasm for art and design, has been returned to me 10 fold however. Our most creative projects and highest paying ones (within 7 figures) are direct results of being associated with the kdu and would not have occurred without the ‘free’ work I contributed to the kdu that set the tone of my capabilities and became the currency with which I could actively pursue much bigger projects.
For all the reasons everyone is hating on the kdu, they are the same reasons it is so effective. Where else are projects constructed to allow a designer or illustrator to work without the terror of a traditional client. DG is not screaming at us about deadlines or asking us to change the logo to one the clients wife made in front page. Further, there are no contracts binding us not to do work with anyone else, nor pursue other mediums and relationships.
For all the haters, lemme let you in on a little secret. Its all about having multiple hustles, the kdu is not going to do your job for you, nor should you expect or wait for it to. If you really thought making a kdu poster was gonna turn you all into chuck anderson or nigel dennis in one shot, you are mistaken, but dont blame it on david gensler. He merely provides a non paying platform for very experimental visuals that are building blocks for ones own portfolio and contain the freedom to build your own style how you choose. I can assure you he is not being chaffeured through brooklyn in a maybauch because of this free work much against popular belief. And to the comment of what is the kdu? simply, it is a large collective of talent who make art, print, branding, interactive, animation and film and make every attempt to find overlap to work together because of a shared creative enthusiasm where ever possible. And if you dont get it by now, DG is a designer and creative on his own, but is also a PR man that is responsible for pushing many creatives who would have gone virtually unknown without his help. that is really what the kdu is. He uses much bigger words that probably come off a bit aggressive or alienating but there is no ill will, just a drive to make beautiful things from nothing, just as a group.
Hate on.
NYbandb August 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Not to discount your post or your involvement, but it is a fact that the KDU started in 2004 (2003 at the earliest) which makes it less than 7 years old. How is it that you have been a member for nearly 10 years?
Justin Maller August 3, 2009 at 4:13 am
PJ makes an excellent point above – being a member of the KDU does not do your job for you. Anyone who freelances full time will tell you; you’ve got to hustle hard, especially at the start or your career. Working with the KDU on projects has had an undeniably positive impact upon my career – it gave me the opportunity to work with recognised brands, it gave me a shot at having my work presented to people I otherwise would not have had access to. The bulk of the work I did for the KDU was done whilst I was still at university, still working a day job, just finding my feet as a creative. I had nothing better to be doing as an artist, and frankly the chance to have my work printed and included as part of a campaign was exciting. Times have changed, but I never felt used then, I was just excited to be creating with purpose.
People have been asking one question a lot, and I’m going to answer straight up; I have not made money directly from my work at the KDU. I have not been paid. However, (and again, I’m in agreement with PJ) the work I have put in to the KDU has come back to financially benefit me many times over. I’ve met people and made connections that have helped me put food on my table.
I think the main problem stems from the public perception of the KDU. I meet young artists all the time who are all psyched about joining, asking if I can bring them in, thinking that making a piece or two for the Royal is somehow going to turn them in to millionaires. It’s not like that, nothing is. It’s simply one streamlined, well directed way for you to get yourself exposure and thus take a couple of little steps along in the journey that is your creative career. It’s not a pot of gold for anyone who walks in the door, and I don’t think it purports to be.
There’s a lot of hype about KDU projects, and I think there’s a lot of negative feelings off the back of that, as typically even quite small projects get a lot of press. Personally, I think it’s pretty bogus to hate on a guy because he knows how to plug in to the hype machine – he’s getting his people exposure, and anyone with half a brain participating in the KDU knows that that’s what they’re going to be getting for their hard work. Anyone expecting fat cheques is not doubt going to come out with some bitter after tastes.
These days, I have less time for free pitches, and less time to participate in exposure projects; sometimes there are knocks on my door that go unanswered because I don’t have time to work for free. The thing is, you can only be used as much as you allow yourself to be – if you have nothing else on and someone offers you a chance to make something for a purpose that is beneficial for your career, then say yes. If you have too much shit on, say no. It’s a simple decision, anyone can make it.
Justin Maller August 3, 2009 at 4:17 am
Mind you, unlike PJ, I’m not pulling in any seven figure jobs :)
Leigh August 3, 2009 at 7:41 am
@Justin Maller & PJ Laundry
I’m sure that from doing work for the KDU has brought you future work, but are we not missing the point here?.
The point is that designers are working for free. I don’t think David Gensler is giving this work away to his clients for free? Someone is making money out of this.
Doing an “Art Piece” for free is fine, but if it ever gets sold or used for a commercial project then you need to be paid.
Or “Pitch work” Like any other decent place, agencies/studios all do pitch work for free but they still have to pay their staff.
If you do commercial/pitch work for the KDU you should be paid, its as simple as that.
PJ Laundry August 3, 2009 at 10:22 am
Leigh, I dont know anything about you or your experiences to judge you so please dont regard this as a personal attack, but only certain markets warrant paid pitches like broadcast or network graphics, but kdu aside, 90% of our commercial pitches through ad agencies are unpaid pitches. We have gone against top companies around the world and not been paid to compete against each other. As for the designers as staff concept, we pay designers we hire on pitches at the risk of a loss. The kdu does not. there is nothing wrong with that, it is the choice of the designers who participate and ultimately on them to be mad at themselves if they work for free and are left unsatisfied. If it is such a problem, they should not have participated in the first place, but for anyone to bitch about it after the fact, after they agreed and were not forced to work for free, well thats just being a cry baby in my mind.
ARCHETYPE August 3, 2009 at 4:35 pm
It’s time to give some credit where credit it due. Aerosyn-Lex is the KING in my eyes. His work has continued to blow my mind since someone put Issue #7 of The Royal in my hands years ago. Lex’s creative output is tremendous and constantly getting stronger. Everything he designs and produces is of a higher quality than that which precedes it. His mastery encompasses print, digital, fashion and typography. I think we can all agree that his efforts should be applauded no matter what our feelings of The KDU are.
LoverinCaptivity August 3, 2009 at 5:04 pm
agreed Archetype, Lex is an absolute beast. And there are many other very talented individuals in the KDU.
But it’s a shame that their contributions are dwarfed by Gensler and the “collaborative” nature.
Above all else, above money, fame, or being attached to a name…artists value credit. Credit for their work, credit for their contributions. It’s the cultural capital, not the economic capital, that matters. The ability to say “I made this, and I made a difference”.
Unfortunately, the KDU takes that away from these talented artists.
Spoken Truth August 3, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Congratulations to all of those washed out by Gensler and “theKDU” for standing up for yourselves. Look at is as a learning experience. There are many many excellent points that people have dropped in here and should be commended. As mentioned before, there is ABSOLUTELY no hate going on here from the people who are trying to warn others of the pitfalls of theKDU. Hate is a term that is used by a “few” of the KDU members (a’hem, Gensler’s Henchmen) to make it all seem that this is a real initiative that needs fuel (or logs – haha!) on the fire. The only hate that is going on here comes directly from Gensler. TheKDU is strictly run on gang mentality that uses fear and intimidation to squeeze out work from unsuspecting members. In response to the no pay for work – it is true. BUT as opposed to the few who can use this as a positive collective, there ARE general arrangements made and talk of gold at the end of the rainbow. To assimilate this to today’s terms, theKDU is Gensler’s personal Ponzi scheme. It is all leveraged on the promise of something, but you – it does not matter who you are – will be left wandering at the end while Dave picks up and jumps ship with his shiny new portfolio. To answer other questions about money, yes – Dave Gensler makes a lot of money consulting for big companies, perhaps thousands of dollars a day, using – you guessed it – theKDU as HIS book. Just look at the screen shot above, “David Gensler, President, KDU.” Perfect for Gensler only. In all seriousness, theKDU is comprised of AMAZING talent, but exists solely in a private cloud of Gensler-fied mystery. Congrats to all of the work that is showcased through it – legit job everyone. This type of collective should be set up as a NON-PROFIT, where it serves the public and artistic good without involving personal and/or corporate gain. In response to Bucky, this house of cards is soon to fall. Respect to all, even David for building it and recognizing great talent along the way. But whatever you do, do NOT trust the KDU.
THE KDU August 4, 2009 at 6:53 am
For those that care to know the truth – never listen to people claiming to know so much about it. Truth is no one posting comments on here have even visited the KDU studios, worked on projects – and for the most part met David face to face. I work at the studio and barely see David – and know he spends a great deal of energy not playing in what he calls – the “reindeer games.” It is amazing to think that anyone can speak about the operations of a private company that prides itself on being “extra private.” The KDU is a system of keys that opens doors. People who have less keys tend to not like this and attack – this is the reality of the world we live in. thanks for driving so much attention – We truly appreciate it. When YOU do ANYTHING worth a documentary on Complex – good or bad – please send us a note to the studio – we will love to see it – until then – please note that the world only cares about “effectiveness” – not theory and opinion – especially coming from those who have time to write such long and thoughtful comments ON A BLOG in the middle OF THE WORK DAY. Those my friends are worthy logs for any philosophical fire.
ShahAllah August 6, 2009 at 12:44 am
Ha!
dsol September 9, 2009 at 8:18 pm
ha!
ShahAllah August 6, 2009 at 12:42 am
Why is it when someone expresses an opinion different from another mans opinion he’s a “Hater”? A “Hater” of what actually? Sounds like a load of Bollocks.Zig Ziggler said”If ya happy what ya getting,Keep doing what you doing.”…..Drink the cool-aid kiddies
THE KDU August 14, 2009 at 4:55 pm
www dot thekdu dot com thanks.
NYbandb August 16, 2009 at 3:24 am
(…in response to THE KDU)
Man, you are wrapped up in the rhetoric. Just listen to yourself – why are you thanking people for “driving so much attention” to a company that prides itself on being “extra private?” You never see David but you know what he spends his time doing? And theKDU IS all theory – it does not really exist! If you want to be effective, then come out of the garage and join us in the real world! And be careful about telling HR about “reindeer games” and “keys” – they will laugh you out of the door! (PS – I guarantee you that everyone on here knows Dave much better that you do. Everyone is saying the same thing – and it is for YOUR benefit! Take heed man, what more can be said?!)
THE KDU August 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I heard dude eats baby ass
LoverinCaptivity August 22, 2009 at 11:47 pm
^ That is a flat out lie and borderline LIBEL. Everyone knows the only ass David is eating is his own. His head is firmly planted far beyond the walls of his rectum.