Kanye West: But because I got a Polo on, I get away with it. Where do designers get inspiration from now that it’s not really cool to dress hip-hop anymore? I make that statement being the dude that gets bashed the most for having pants that fit nicely.

Mark Ronson: Remember when Versace put bicycle locks on runway models like five years after Treach did it? Fashion people, they’re late on everything. I think it’s kind of cool that there’s this key group of kids that are coming out now that are dressing like EPMD.

Kanye West: The hi-top Flights and shit.

Mark Ronson: A tight jean jacket and giant glasses. I’m actually glad to see hip-hop fashion head back to that. It’s just like anything that’s been around for 10 years and doesn’t look cutting-edge anymore.

Kanye West: I respect Marilyn Manson and his artistic abilities, his wardrobe. He’s really the real deal. He is the last true rock star.

Mark Ronson: People don’t want to believe that their pop stars are the guys next door. There’s a reason that people look up to Alice Cooper and [David] Bowie and [Jimi] Hendrix—because you knew that you didn’t have the balls to be like that.

Kanye West: Let me be an asshole for a minute. Even the mistakes I’ve made give me a piece of that. I thought that the Grammy [editor’s note: the Tom Ford chest action] ’fit was the biggest statement of confidence.

Mark Ronson: Or when Björk wore that [swan] dress to the [2001] Oscars. It was kind of ridiculous, but at least it made a statement: “I’m not the rest of you, walking down here in a fucking Ralph Lauren gown."

Kanye West: Björk is thorough. She’s got that certain art level, that same thing I’m saying about Marilyn Manson. I read some shit, some excerpts from Amy [Winehouse]. She was bagging on people, like just coming down on any celebrity possible.

Mark Ronson: Amy’s smart and funny. She’s English when she insults somebody. Home // CELEBRITIES // THE SHOTCALLER // Mark Ronson